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  Frequently Asked Questions

Question I am looking for definitions for exit outcomes self-employment, recalled by layoff employer (TAA) and in school, alternative School.

Answer Our policy re self-employment hasn't come out yet. It may be rolled up under a supplemental wage data policy that may include employer verification of a hire that doesn't appear in the employer's quarterly wage reports. DOL is holding an upcoming training session (Feb 21-23) to finalize common measures policy and to provide states with training materials. The self-employment policy may be delayed until after the training. In the meantime, I suggest that if identify a participant as self employed, substantiate with the appropriate documentation and if no further services are needed exit the individual as "Self Employed". At a minimum, keep a list of those participants who you have determined to be self-employed.

Recalled by layoff employer is a reportable TAA data item. It is intended to provide insight into how many individuals go back to work with their former employer. These exiters are counted positively in the employment measures; in other words the program is not penalized for individuals returning to work with the same employer that laid them off. I don't have a definition for alternative school but can try to find one. They are inclusive as in-school youth. This also appears to be a collection item for further information about the in-school population. If you have further questions, please contact Phil Degon.

 Question Is there any possibility that these exit outcomes (Recalled by Layoff Employer and Retirement) will also be applied to the WIA Dislocated Worker program? If DOL wants integration of the two programs, wouldn't it make sense that both are able to receive the same concessions on these two issues?

 Answer Your interpretation is the same as ours. Dislocated Workers, like Trade Act participants, may choose to retire from employment. It is intended to provide additional information on program exiters. As an exit outcome, it will be counted in the WIA and TAA performance measures; i.e. the participant is not taken out of the performance calculation. DOL is conducting an upcoming training session on program reporting and the final common measures policy. More information and related training materials are expected at that time. Following the training, a state training team will provide training for all WIA-TAA-NEG-Wagner-Peyser-VETS program staff. If you have further questions, please contact Phil Degon.

Question The DOL tutorial on "Attainment of a Degree or Certificate" identified Job Corps as a qualifying certificate. Does it follow then that Job Corps would be considered a recognized "Advanced Training/Occupational Skills Training" provider for the "Placement in Employment or Education" measure?

Answer It does follow that Job Corps is an advanced training/occupational skills training provider, as you assume.

Question Is AmeriCorps considered a recognized "Advanced Training/Occupational Skills Training" provider, and is completion of that program recognized as a qualifying certificate?

Answer AmeriCorps is usually considered a public service organization and not primarily a training provider. Therefore, completion of that program would not usually be recognized as a qualifying certificate.

Question The DOL tutorial on "Placement in Employment or Education" stated that Youth in post-secondary education, employment, or the military at the date of participation are excluded from this measure. Do you know the point in which a Youth is considered "in" post-secondary education? For example, would that be as of the date the client is registered for classes a post-secondary institution, or the date the client actually begins attending classes?

Answer Either enrolled while “in program” or registered/enrolled by the first quarter after exit.
(Citation: TEGL 28-04 page 10 )

Question I noticed that "Advanced Training/Occupational Skills Training" wasn't listed with the other exclusions for that measure. Do you know if that means clients can be in an "Advanced Training/Occupational Skills Training" and not be excluded from the measure?

Answer No, they won't be excluded from the measure if at time of entrance they are in a training program offered by a degree-granting institution that does not lead to an academic degree (e.g., certificate programs). A training program of this nature will not count as a placement in post-secondary education, but may count towards the “Attainment of a degree or Certificate” measure. Only those clients in a program leading towards an academic degree (AA, BS, BA, AS) will be excluded. (Citation: TEGL 28-04 page 22 )

Question One of our service providers noticed that the definition of "Employed at the Date of Participation" from TEGL 28-04, page 23, is different than the definition of "Employed at Registration" from TEGL-7-99, page 43. Could you tell me if the new definition for "Employed at the Date of Participation" from TEGL 28-04 replaced the definition for "Employed at Registration" from TEGL 7-99 as of July 1, 2005? The definition of "Employed at the Date of Participation" from TEGL 28-04 is: Employed at the Date of Participation - An individual employed at the date of participation is one who:

  • Did any work at all as a paid employee (except the individual is not considered employed if: a) he/she has received a notice of termination of employment or the employer has issued a WARN or other notice that the facility or enterprise will close, or b) he/she is currently on active military duty and has been provided with a date of separation from military service);

  • Did any work at all in his or her own business, profession, or farm;

  • Worked 15 hours or more as an unpaid worker in an enterprise operated by a member of the family; or

  • Was not working, but has a job or business from which he/she was temporarily absent because of illness, bad weather, vacation, labor-management dispute, or personal reasons, regardless of whether paid by the employer for time-off, and regardless of whether seeking another job.

The definition of "Employed at Registration" from TEGL 7-99 is: An employed individual is one who, during the 7 consecutive days prior to registration, did any work at all as a paid employee, in his or her own business, profession or farm, worked 15 hours or more as an unpaid worker in an enterprise operated by a member of the family, or is one who was not working, but has a job or business from which he or she was temporarily absent because of illness, bad weather, vacation, labor-management dispute, or personal reasons, whether or not paid by the employer for time off, or whether or not seeking another job.

Answer With TEGLs it is the usual practice, in case of inconsistencies, to use the most recent TEGL. In this case, it does not appear that DOL even perceived an inconsistency, because the usual practice is to point out that the new TEGL supercedes the old one. They probably think that TEGL 28-04 contains merely a shortened version of the definition in TEGL 7-99. In any event, we would advise your service provider to use the most recent definition. If you have further questions, please contact Charles Lewis.

 

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